for anyone who cares...

[Lost Kitten]

i got a new computer but i cant get on th chat yet (it let me on for two seconds but wouldnt type anything/it kicked me off).
I know whats wrong with it though, so yeah, ill fix it sooner or later.

until then..

how is everyone? lol. I feel like talking.

topic...topic..topic...
so what des everyone think about guys having babies?? loljk

mucho love.

[loc_zsu]

heh this made me smile. a smile is a wonderous thing dont you think?

[MBDragon6493]

i got a new computer but i cant get on th chat yet (it let me on for two seconds but wouldnt type anything/it kicked me off).
I know whats wrong with it though, so yeah, ill fix it sooner or later.

until then..

how is everyone? lol. I feel like talking.

topic...topic..topic...
so what des everyone think about guys having babies?? loljk

mucho love.I think guys having babies is stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid....what has the world come to??!!!! >:( :insane: that is just me, it is fine if you don't agree with me.

[E Drago Pazzo]

...ummmmmmm... hmmmmm... guys having babies...oh yeah, I have something to add to this subject; DID YOU KNOW THAT MALE SEA HORSES GIVE LIVE BIRTH!?!

[Rez3]

Yes I know that.
But human males giving birth is a perversion of nature! And if that happens, the world will be seriosuly over-populated.

[Lost Kitten]

see, i dont have a problem with it. I veiw it as:
if a infertal girl wants a baby, she can get it implanted.
so if women can do it, so should males.
if not... then they might as well not have fertalization for anyone.

granted, the thought is as rediculous and worthless as (bc people can just adopt instead) making rock it ships to go to the moon

but hey, whatever will make people happy.

heh this made me smile. a smile is a wonderous thing dont you think?

hahaha, i win lol

[Rez3]

But why do we want males giving birth??? My gender is NOT designed for that anyway, and women are usually capable of doing it themselves. We shouldn't mess about with nature in this way.

[Lost Kitten]

we mess with nature every single day. if we didnt, we wouldnt have computers or cars or anything which granted, our world would be better, but bc we decided to change, we now have all these things.

if having a baby would make a guy happy, then go ahead. the only difference will be that they have to have c-section. if it can make a girl happy, then it should make a guy happy.

but like i said, fertalizing male or female is as usless as making rock it ships to get to the moon.

ADOPTION YAY!! lol

but thats opinon.

i respect everyone elses opinon too.

[Rez3]

I'm talking about messing with our biology and genetic make up. I don't agree with that.

[Lost Kitten]

well as far as i kno, the only side effects or differences between males and females havng babys are that the guys have the same side effects as pregrant women, they have to get c-section, and the fertalized eggs have to be put in different.
so as far as i kno, the male isnt effected anymore then a female and the baby isnt harmed.

[Rez3]

What about psychological effects?
The man might feel like a freak... The baby would have to grow up knowing that it came from the wrong gender and wasn't conceived properly...
And why DO men 'need to give birth'? What's wrong with the current reproductive system???

[Lost Kitten]

there is nothing wrong with it currently, but if a male wants a baby and for it to come from him, its his choice. and he shouldnt feel like a freak if he choose it.
and if the baby has a problem with it, then they are just like everyother kid out there that is embarressed by a parent. and if the case is that he wasnt concelived properly, then women shouldnt be able to have it done either.

and honestly, i dont think the baby would have psychological effects. there is no reason for them to. and if its bc they grew up being different, then a baby should have psycological problems by being raised by an inter-racial couple or homosexual couple. so the baby should be fine.

but then again neither of us are scientist, so who knows besides scentist.

[loc_zsu]

scientists dont know everything. they just think they do. also...good points there Kitten

[Ruberial Dragon]

Oooh dang, this reminds me of Sophies World........
Teachers think they know everything, and try to force it upon us. Philosophers, on the other hand, have a childlike enthusiasm to discover what they can, and not to pretend.

Agreeing with you there, scientist, your game is up!

[loc_zsu]

see there are people who agree!

[Lost Kitten]

hahaha, that is very true. but a scenist knows more about the subject then any of us. lol

[SkySong]

What a weird conversation :P
Well, seeing as we're all here to discuss this, I'm presuming the current way of giving birth seems to work. But then again, I'm not a man, so I can't say wether it would be fair or unfair for men to give birth :P

[suugakusha]

Problem with men being pregnant is.. uh.. they lack uteri.

[loc_zsu]

thats not the only problem i think you will find.

[Lost Kitten]

I aually looked up something about it, and i found out that what happens is they implant a fertilized egg atop on there addomin (i cant spell) and have to get female hormones. But, it also said alot of women get inplanted the same way bc of different reasons.

but then again i am the type of person who is for almost everything.
I can see why a man wouldnt want to give birth:
-its never been done
-its not "normal"
-ect
BUT I also see why a man would:
-wife infertal and dont want a seraget mother
-gay couples
-ect

but i still see it as if a man wants it, let him have it, just if a women wants it, let her have it. if they are not going to let men, then dont let women.

[suugakusha]

Fertilized eggs cant just be implanted in men's abdomen (or women's either). They need to be nourished through a placenta. Unless someone finds a way to solve that problem there won't be any pregnant males in the near future. For gay couples or infertiles, there still is adoption. If you want a child for love, it shouldnt matter if its biologically your own.

By the way, even if men could be pregnant, gay couples still couldnt be biological parents. As you said, there needs to be an egg...

[Rez3]

I aually looked up something about it, and i found out that what happens is they implant a fertilized egg atop on there addomin (i cant spell) and have to get female hormones. But, it also said alot of women get inplanted the same way bc of different reasons.

but then again i am the type of person who is for almost everything.
I can see why a man wouldnt want to give birth:
-its never been done
-its not "normal"
-ect
BUT I also see why a man would:
-wife infertal and dont want a seraget mother
-gay couples
-ect

but i still see it as if a man wants it, let him have it, just if a women wants it, let her have it. if they are not going to let men, then dont let women.

It's nature for the female humans to give birth to the offspring. We have evolved this way and I don't think that we should go and mess with our genetics and DNA, when the current system works just fine. If women are infertile they can get fertliity treatment.

[happyslashes]

It's nature for the female humans to give birth to the offspring. We have evolved this way and I don't think that we should go and mess with our genetics and DNA, when the current system works just fine. If women are infertile they can get fertliity treatment.[/quote]

Yes but it is not natural for the woman to be given fertility treatment either, I think if a man wants to have a baby let him =)

[Lost Kitten]

Fertilized eggs cant just be implanted in men's abdomen (or women's either). They need to be nourished through a placenta. Unless someone finds a way to solve that problem there won't be any pregnant males in the near future. For gay couples or infertiles, there still is adoption. If you want a child for love, it shouldnt matter if its biologically your own.

By the way, even if men could be pregnant, gay couples still couldnt be biological parents. As you said, there needs to be an egg...

well the artical I read said something along those lines of that they got it on the abdomen. if they are right, they are right, if wrong, there wrong.
they can get an egg doner the same way a women could get an sperm doner.

It's nature for the female humans to give birth to the offspring. We have evolved this way and I don't think that we should go and mess with our genetics and DNA, when the current system works just fine. If women are infertile they can get fertliity treatment.

Yes but it is not natural for the woman to be given fertility treatment either, I think if a man wants to have a baby let him =)[/QUOTE]

exacly. the only thing it comes down to (or to me atleast) is if the man wants it, let him get it. we have no right to tell him no if he knows the risks and the child will be fine.