View Full Version : ppl say they are Evil but i think they are wrong!
Dracula
08-02-2006, 10:30 PM
ppl say they are Evil but i think they are wrong! i just feel that the Europeans were just in the wrong place in the wrong time so they upset the natural blance....so what do you guys think?
Earth dragon
08-02-2006, 10:32 PM
I agree 100% with you. They arn't evil, just miss understood. No creature is truly evil, its just the way they are.
Dracula
08-02-2006, 10:38 PM
thank you im gald some one is with me :)
Earth dragon
08-02-2006, 10:43 PM
That ok, I don't believe any dragon is evil. I mean a hero can call his arch enamy evil, yet the arch enimy can call the hero evil to. So in the end it all comes down to what different people think.
Dracula
08-02-2006, 10:50 PM
yea its always the winner that writes the history books!
SupremeAlien
08-03-2006, 01:07 AM
People fear things they don't understand. Fear is easier to keep a hold of if you define what you fear as something bad.
Dragons are like people, there are good ones and bad ones. Whether or not they really are 'evil' lies in the eyes of the beholder, as Earth Dragon already pointed out, and on the acts they do.
Dracula
08-03-2006, 10:42 AM
very nicely said
Tressen
08-03-2006, 02:02 PM
No creature is truly evil, its just the way they are.
I dissagree with this. But I do agree that dragons arn't evil.
imported_Greendragon
08-03-2006, 03:12 PM
Some people think sharks are evil but really they are just misunderstood.
Dracula
08-03-2006, 03:55 PM
yea they are its that they just have bad eye site so they mistake guys on surfe bords as seals
SupremeAlien
08-04-2006, 04:18 PM
As said before, creatures, humans and things are as evil as the eye of the beholder makes them.. It's a very subjective subject.
I for one for some reason have the habbit of finding terribly evil things cute, which, in my eyes, already makes them less evil than they appear to be.
On the other hand, what I find good can be completely evil in the eyes of someone else. It all depends on through who's eyes you're looking.
Following, that, it's a rather pointless discussion, but still nice to debate about, because everyone has a different view on it.
Draconis Infernvs
08-17-2006, 09:38 AM
aye.
who can say whats right or wrong.
evil or good.
there all just words, but I do believe that everything has the capacity for evil as well as good, and that there are boundaries to what is right and wrong. ie Andrea yeats, hitler...id say the best thing is to have a open mind to the possibility of truly evil beings as well as truly noble ones, in any species
imported_Greendragon
08-17-2006, 02:37 PM
I totaly agree with that! :D
Tressen
08-17-2006, 02:46 PM
aye.
who can say whats right or wrong.
evil or good.
there all just words, but I do believe that everything has the capacity for evil as well as good, and that there are boundaries to what is right and wrong. ie Andrea yeats, hitler...id say the best thing is to have a open mind to the possibility of truly evil beings as well as truly noble ones, in any species
hmm...
loc_zsu
08-18-2006, 02:46 AM
gods not this again. this was on the last site. doesnt matter. all the points i made last time hav been covered.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 02:59 PM
no creature is truely evil when u think about it especaily dragons, it's the enviroment around them which makes them evil.
nature can be evil coz creatures kill people or things and sciencetists always say it's there nature so natures evil not the creatures or the dragons.
well that's what i think any way. :D
Tressen
08-18-2006, 03:05 PM
I beleave there are truly evil creatures Somwhere in the universe. I just hope we arn't fortuenet enough to meet them.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 03:09 PM
come on tressen, where's ya sence of adventure? im sure the way u and craig talk about taking over the world and destroying it there should be no prob with evil threats.
Tressen
08-18-2006, 03:13 PM
Its not my safty I fear for.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 03:14 PM
really?, then hows safety do u fear for then.?
Tressen
08-18-2006, 03:21 PM
Mortals.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 03:24 PM
I knew youd say that.
Tressen
08-18-2006, 03:27 PM
I was sorely tempted to say cheese.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 03:32 PM
I was sorely tempted to say cheese.
lol :lol:
craig says that's barry for ya.
though if u r not mortal trez then what r u?
Tressen
08-18-2006, 03:33 PM
Thats a no brainer.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 03:34 PM
Thats a no brainer.
ok, but u still havent answered my question.
Tressen
08-18-2006, 03:37 PM
Thats because you haven answered mine.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 03:40 PM
what was your question?
Tressen
08-18-2006, 03:40 PM
What was yours.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 03:42 PM
well if u look above it should tell u what i posted.
Tressen
08-18-2006, 03:45 PM
True.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 03:48 PM
so... r u going to answer my q now?
Tressen
08-18-2006, 03:55 PM
no. If you want to know ask craig. Maybe he'll tell ya.
Temeraire
08-18-2006, 03:55 PM
ok
loc_zsu
08-19-2006, 02:45 PM
and tell i did!
Orealisk
08-19-2006, 02:47 PM
Probabl yoff topic of what you guys are talking about but dragons , whatever kind are both good and evil..they must choose their own path...other than that they're just misunderstood creatures
loc_zsu
08-19-2006, 02:48 PM
i would say they are beyond it. they are beyond human concepts.
Orealisk
08-19-2006, 02:51 PM
I would agree ..thats a very good opinion
loc_zsu
08-19-2006, 03:01 PM
its the truth.
Crimson Dragon13
08-19-2006, 03:03 PM
I think they just choose to be good or evil.
Tressen
08-19-2006, 03:06 PM
I've said it once and ill say it again. Nothing Is Above Or Beyond Good And Evil.
Orealisk
08-19-2006, 03:06 PM
....huh?
Tressen
08-19-2006, 03:13 PM
Good and evil is a consept, An opionion And therefore nothing and no one is above or beyond it.
Orealisk
08-19-2006, 03:14 PM
Oh..that makes much more sense...lol
Tressen
08-19-2006, 03:29 PM
:D
Orealisk
08-19-2006, 03:46 PM
;P haha
tnykuh
08-20-2006, 08:18 PM
Their veiw points. Like Squall said in Final Fantasy VIII "There is no good or bad side, it is in the veiw point of of which side your on." (somthing like that.) So if you think your on the good side looking at people who you think are bad, the people on the bad side think that their on the good side veiwing you as the bad side. Hope that wasn't too confusing.
Crimson Dragon13
08-21-2006, 10:10 AM
Not at all.
Each creature is born innocent. It has done no wrong, nor any good. But the choices it makes later in life, and how it reacts to the situations it must deal with, result in the concept of 'good' and 'evil'.
So I believe the same to be true with Dragons. Their life choices are their own, and that determines whether they are judged evil or good.
Tressen
08-22-2006, 02:23 PM
innocents is lack of knowllage to disquingush between right and wrong/ good and evil.
Crimson Dragon13
08-25-2006, 02:34 PM
Hmm....I'm not sure who is right this time....
I tend to believe that good and evil is shaped by ones beliefs. I think that Western dragons might have got their "evil" nature from trying to make humans leave their territory, I mean lets face it a medievil human wuld hang around if a dragon tried to communicate with him/her.
I think that Western dragons probably resorted to burning towns and farms to try and get the "message across" so to speak, but knowing how nieve humans can be they probably saw it as an act of war and maybe that is how the dragonslayer was created...
Well, I don't think you'd be naive if someone burned down your village and thought it an act of war.
But I do see your point.
LoL, but the funny thing is that if there was a "war" between dragons and humans it was probably all a misunderstanding...
Draconis Infernvs
09-16-2006, 02:32 PM
was. there never was.
Crimson Dragon13
09-18-2006, 05:17 PM
Maybe the dragons were acting evil to get the humans to leave them alone.
There is certainly no evidence to say that there wasn't a war and no evidence to say there was, opinions change over time as scientists have demonstrated again and again.
But it is quite feasable that Dragons did do all that just to make the humans leave them alone...
Draconis Infernvs
09-19-2006, 12:11 PM
sure, but it seems everyone only thinks that humans and dragons are the only ones in the equation...
Crimson Dragon13
09-19-2006, 08:41 PM
Lots of people also say red and green dragons are the evil ones...I don't find that true.
Anonymous
09-19-2006, 09:24 PM
Nah. That's like racisim. When people say dragons have a crtain color which makes them evil. That's sort of like racisim.
Yeah I would have to agree...
Crimson Dragon13
09-20-2006, 06:18 PM
Same here..I hate it when people say that.
Yeah, But usually mass labelling groups based on the majority of the groups actions is usually the best way to do things...
But it's annoying for the individuals who aren't like the rest.
Yeah it is annoying but it is the most efficient way to do things, its sorta a "needs of the many outway the needs of the few" kind of thing...
Draconis Infernvs
09-23-2006, 03:43 PM
a good reason why the American goverment is so crappy.
red wyrm
10-07-2006, 05:00 PM
the reasen to why people say that western dragons is so evel i think comes from the time of the knight's. meny mages even "merlin" where enemies with dragons.... this is becase dragons scales blood horns and claws, were very magical.. many mages and wissards wanted the magic from the dragons. the mages where also ofthen the right hand of the kings and convinced the kings that dragons where evel and had to be killed....
but with eastern dragons there is a difference. the people of china and japan started to wurship dragons and made dragons holy and friendly.
Indeed, humans have always been easy to influence...
Dacos
10-09-2006, 10:12 AM
Westen dragons are evil for most of the humans.
There's two reactions of an western...
1: See a human, and don't care about it.
2: When the human moves funny, the dragon will attack.
Westers eat meat, humans for example.
Most of the time not afcorse, aspecialy now they don't do that anymore.
There's better food on earth.
Dragons are special creatures.
red wyrm
10-09-2006, 11:25 AM
well maby the reason that western dragons eat humans are the same as why baboons eat flamingos..... the baboons are realy vegetarian but they got so tired of the flamingos invading theyr part of the lake so they attacked and some baboons ate them and desided that they where food.(this is only one happening from a part of africa) but thise baboons still eat flamingos..... since the humans started the war and humans ofthen are very proud(selfish) they forgot that they started the war.......
Perhaps this will help, its one of my favourite pictures.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/JakeDanahay/testwest1.jpg
...
Dacos
10-09-2006, 04:34 PM
The most of that line is not treu.
A western or any other dragon, can't breath fire! Thats a fantasyteale.
I'm not refering to the first paragraph I am refering to the second. Besides none of us can be certain about what a dragons abilities are...
Dacos
10-09-2006, 04:51 PM
Some know.
red wyrm
10-09-2006, 04:55 PM
why do you say that dragons cant beath fire??? there are enought animals with abileties that if but to gether would make them able to breathe fire...
Dacos
10-09-2006, 05:02 PM
A dragon dusn't have the abiletie's to breath fire.
For a dragon's body and throth isn't that natural.
When a dragon shuld breath fire, it must hurt to breath for him.
red wyrm
10-09-2006, 05:19 PM
the dragons dont actualy breath the fire from the stomuack... the fire is created by gas that they make from the things they eat... i can remember wich gas they are said to use but i can try to find out.... the dragons have 2 special galnds placed in theyr mout (some have 3) 1 of them pushes the gas with god spead out of theyr mouth to make a jet of gas.. this yet of gas then reacts to another gas fired from the other gland creating a fire.
this is why baby dragons cant breath fire.. the glands take time to develop....
Indeed, I would surmise that the fire itself doesn't ignite until it is clear of the dragons throat...
Dacos
10-10-2006, 09:42 AM
Gas? in a dragon's throth?
Two kindes of gas.
Whare did you hear that?
The gas would be used as the combustible material, wouldn't it?
Dacos
10-10-2006, 03:15 PM
Its a bit far searched don't you think?
Dacos
10-10-2006, 03:31 PM
Your theory dusn't make sence.
A dragon with gas in his troth is a little to mutch fantasy.
Its a story made up by storywriters.
Yeah, dragons existed (exist), but a dragon who breaths fire can't be real.
Acid....maybe, some creatures can do that.
Nature is not limited by our drastic lack of imagination. There are many theories to how a dragon would breath fire ranging from a flamable mucus secreted in the mouth to gases released by the diestion of food which then combines with with another material in the dragons mouth to great a volitile mix.
Just because you think it doesn't make sense doesn't mean it doesn't. Many of the creatures we already know of are weird enough...
Dacos
10-10-2006, 04:56 PM
The firebreathing dragons is a story from storywriters.
In jears, dragonledgends, movies and toys seled better when an evil dragon breats fire to make the hero his quest harder.
Its written in my dragonbook.
red wyrm
10-10-2006, 05:07 PM
yes but who say that the dragonbook of yours is the troth
Dacos
10-10-2006, 05:13 PM
Not all i know is from that book, its just written that breathing fire isn't possible for dragons.
Smaug was one of the first fantasydragons that breaths fire.
the most Ledgendery dragons can't breath fire.
red wyrm
10-10-2006, 05:25 PM
can you acsplain a logical reason to why dragons wouldent be able to breathe fire
Dacos
10-11-2006, 08:36 AM
An anatomic picture in my book (paintings of many jears old from peolpe who clame to had a dragon)shows that a dragon's mouth isn't able to breath fire, or any other form of extreme temperature like ice.
A dragon's mouth wuld hurt for him/hear if an extreme temperature touches it.
red wyrm
10-11-2006, 08:50 AM
making a new topik in the "general discussion" "can or cant dragons breathe fire. and if... how?"
^Yeah good idea
I would think that the dragon would not let the high temperatures touch him/her, perhaps he would dislocate his jaw to allow his mouth to be further away from the fire/ice...
SkySong
10-14-2006, 11:51 AM
there are no dragons that are "evil" as such...its just what they do appears evil to others...its just opinions.
personnaly i like all dragons..
Crimson Dragon13
10-15-2006, 12:25 PM
I like all dragons....it is their choice to be evil or good...or perhaps it is destiny...wow, that ain't something I'd usaully say! Destiny...
DragonSummoner
10-20-2006, 10:51 PM
An anatomic picture in my book (paintings of many jears old from peolpe who clame to had a dragon)shows that a dragon's mouth isn't able to breath fire, or any other form of extreme temperature like ice.
A dragon's mouth wuld hurt for him/hear if an extreme temperature touches it.
they can. Its just that scientist don't know how they could of done it whithout hurting themselfs so they just try to cover it up saying they couldn't.
Anonymous
10-20-2006, 11:05 PM
You know how fire doesn't burn you when you lick your fingers to put it out? It doesn't hurt because your saliva coats your finger from being burned. Guess what's in your mouth? Saliva. So dragons shouldn't feel the fire when it passes through their throat or mouth because they must have saliva coating their mouth.
DragonSummoner
10-20-2006, 11:12 PM
Yes but guess something else. Saliva dries up if you stay with an opened mouth for a long time. So with the fire too the saliva could of evaporated more rapidly and make the dragon not able to withstand the fire for too long.
This is why we have been saying that dragons would breath fire in short bursts not long jets. They would have a break in between bursts to allow their saliva to regenerate.
What we have to remember is that back in the Medievil days everyone was religious and the church had the power not the kings, if you weren't you were "evil" or "A heretic". So if dragons were intelligent and they didn't want any part of our religions then perhaps the Churchs labeled them as "evil" because they did not believe in our god...
Anonymous
10-25-2006, 08:24 PM
"So if dragons were intelligent and they didn't want any part of our religions then perhaps the Churchs labeled them as "evil" because they did not believe in our god..."
Hell yeah! I'm writing a horror story just about what you said!
DragonSummoner
10-25-2006, 08:33 PM
well they had no right to consider anyone or anything evil just cause they didn't believe in some god. It could of been that the dragons showed or represented some kind of evil in our religion. Probably a picture of a dragon that might of said that it was a dark figure and would bring death or something.
Anonymous
10-25-2006, 08:44 PM
I read that all the religious people thought it was like the devil or somthing.
I mean yeah the wings look like Satanic ones but how can you get confused with this little guy: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/90/GustaveDoreParadiseLostSatanProfile.jpg/300px-GustaveDoreParadiseLostSatanProfile.jpg
With a HUGE dragon?! http://www.videogamesblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/project-offset-dragon-art.jpg
Look at the size difference! How can the church execute the wrong creature?!
DragonSummoner
10-25-2006, 08:50 PM
well the ancient religions were very strict about what they thought. Also cause they always used to believe everything their religion official used to tell them. Or maybe the dragon could of eaten a couple of people and the religions started to hate them and treat them as evil creatures.
Anonymous
10-25-2006, 10:02 PM
Yeah, that's true. I was forced into church last week and they kept going on about how precious human life is, when most people I know are 99.9% unlikely going to make a difference in the world. Oh yeah I'm sure it was just the same back then too. So why shouldn't a dragon get to eat people who don't make a difference? lol.
Well, Medievil religion was much like the kind of fanatisism in the middle-east today. There are many "Arabs" so to speak that label Westen people as infidels just because we do not follow their religion, I wouldn't say it was any different for dragons back in the day...
Anonymous
10-26-2006, 06:53 AM
It does seem rather similar...
Yeah, that's true. I was forced into church last week and they kept going on about how precious human life is, when most people I know are 99.9% unlikely going to make a difference in the world. Oh yeah I'm sure it was just the same back then too. So why shouldn't a dragon get to eat people who don't make a difference? lol.
So would you sacrifice yourself to some rabied carnivore in the wild without a fight? lol
Dark Lady
11-02-2006, 02:02 PM
i personally think it depends on the dragon...like you get goog and bad people.
Yeah. That's what I think too.
Yeah, alot like humans you get good humans and you get bad ones, but in my experience humans are mostly bad...
Dark Lady
11-03-2006, 10:41 AM
it depends on who your friends are..."keep your friends close and your enemies even closer"! my arse!!!!
i tend to surround my self with my friends and people that i can trust...if i come across a bad egg i usualy stay well clear.
Dragons are probably the same if you cach my drift.....confused?
LoL, not at all. I am like you except it is very hard to earn my trust, there only 2 people I know of that have my complete trust...
DragonSummoner
11-03-2006, 08:57 PM
Yeah, alot like humans you get good humans and you get bad ones, but in my experience humans are mostly bad...
its not that were bad. But most of the time us humans turn bad because of the circumstances. And most of the time the ones you hate the most might be the good ones after all.
Yeah, I agree with you its just that a humans allegance can be bought so cheaply if oyu know what I mean...
Dark Lady
11-04-2006, 04:34 AM
thats the thing that angers me the moast...that people have a price.
i domt have a price but i am kinda greedy...that is when it comes to TREACKLE TART! YUM YUM!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
DragonSummoner
11-04-2006, 03:29 PM
well at least thats what they say. That everyone has a price. I doubt it. You can have a price if you want to have a price. But it also depends on what concerns you. Bad people may be using someone you love to make you do what they want.
Dark Lady
11-04-2006, 03:53 PM
true, very true.
thats the worst kind of bad...because it hurts you in so many awful ways.
DragonSummoner
11-04-2006, 04:00 PM
do you guys think that someone exits who makes contact with dragons as in right now in the present. What i mean by contact is that he sits down and talks with dragons and pats them and stuff.
Dark Lady
11-04-2006, 04:46 PM
im not sure.Icefyer does in dreams and visions....i dont think there is.
if there is and some1 who didnt believe in dragons found out then he/she is probubly waisting away in a mental institute....
Yeah, I don't think I have a price, you cannot buy my trust or loyalty. That is something you can only get from years of friendship with me. Most otherthings could be bought from me though...
Dark Lady
11-04-2006, 07:49 PM
that is a verry deep thing to say.
Yeah, well I can be a great enemy but as a friend I am greater still, its up to you to decide how your diplomacy towards me...
DragonSummoner
11-04-2006, 11:30 PM
well it also depends on how the people treat you. You might have a lot of good friends but you don't trust them all with your hear.
Yeah well their diplomacy towards me depends on how they treat me. I only trust 2 people, lol and one of them I have never met before...
Dark Lady
11-05-2006, 04:12 AM
i say treat some1 how you would like them to treat u.
if you treat them horribly then that is your return.
i also can bare a grudge but i have none at the moment.
just friends.
i tend to make them where ever i go!
i have a fiew friends in Ustonia!
too many. they tend to not hear frm me for ages!!
i have 3 best friends that i trust with my life.....
LoL, I tend not to make friends easily, I am very sceptical about meeting new people and you'll have to forgive me because before I actually start making casual conversation in person I watch their body language and their speech to find out what kind of person they are. If I like them I start a convosation, if not, I just answer their questions and nothing more...
Dark Lady
11-05-2006, 10:30 AM
i hate talking to people wearing reflective sunglasses coz i cant see their eyes.
I like to make lots of friends. I have friends for every aspect of my personality; I have friends who I can talk to about games, others about ghosts and stuff, other about my bro, others about certain TV programmes, others about art etc.
I've got someone for everything.
LoL, I wear reflective sunglasses...
Dark Lady
11-06-2006, 09:17 AM
yeh but i cant see you silly!
LoL, I might just prove that quote wrong and upload a picture of myself :P ...
Dark Lady
11-07-2006, 07:44 AM
go spoil it why dont you! lol
hee hee! no im not that fussed on peeps who wear sunglasses.
i like to read their eyes when they talk to me.
they can tell you a lot about the persons honesty.
honesty is a big thing to me. i not saying that im a super honest person who has never lied, bacause that would be humanly inposible!
i just value honesty, individuality, kindness, compassion, a good sence of humor and most of all love.
oh dear. well that pretty much all my cards on the table!
oh well.
Good things to lookl for in a friend...
Dark Lady
11-07-2006, 12:24 PM
deffinately.
i have to many friends.....but i appresiate all of them.
I have a lot of friends. Before registration, I go round my tutor base and talk to everyone that is my friend in turn.
Then at break and lunch I meet up with my other friends.
Dark Lady
11-07-2006, 12:35 PM
GOOD IDEA! i have friends all over the country and the world...so that might not work for me.
my boyfriend( ex) used to live in Bridgend. i live near carmarthen. if you look on a mep of wales you can see how difficult it was!
Long distance relationship...
Dark Lady
11-07-2006, 12:43 PM
yeh. it was fine but.........
DragonSummoner
11-07-2006, 07:42 PM
i have a bunch of friends but don't get along with most that much. The ones that really care about you are the ones that will keep on being your friends even after a great argument or fight.
Yeah, I tell the truth 90% of the time, unless there is a good reason for me not to tell the truth, like I made a promise not to tell or something like that...
DragonSummoner
11-07-2006, 11:09 PM
telling the truth all the time is very hard for me. in some cases you have to lie if they say something wrong about your friend and you don't want them to know its very hard to tell them. cuz then they'll get mad at you.
Yeah, I am not afraid of being yelled at, if you want me to go away or understand something insulting and getting mad at me isn't the way to do it...
Dark Lady
11-08-2006, 02:08 PM
i dont usually get mad...i get frustrated sometimes...the only tine i remember getting mad was when i was nine.....*flash back*..... it was at a sports day in the leasure centere and i was in the two hundred meters.
the hall was only 50 m long so there were kick boards on either wall so as you could push off quickly and didnt have to slow down. i was winning...i was leaving the rest for dust...then my trainer came loose and fell off.i fell over it and landed, my whole body weight on my arms.
i lost obviously. i was crying loads because i was in so much pain...my elbowes were agony.
and my teacher was complaining that i was a bad looser! all my friends could see that i was hurt but she just thought i was atension seaking!
any way...my grandad took me to casiulty two hours after i hurt my self because the teacher wouldnt let me go home...and i found out that i had split both of my bones in my right arm straight up the middle and shattered my elboe cartalige. i had to have a metal rod put in my fore arm to help it heal. *back again*
i hate that teacher!!!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :x :x :!: :!: even now i cant stand the sight of her!!! i wont name her....actually i will! none of you will know her!
Sian Thomos i HATE your guts!!!!!! darn you to hell!!!!!!
ahem...yes...that is the only thing that ever makes me realy mad....well urm...any who.....nice weather weve been having?
That was horrid of your teacher. IOt wasn't fair to say that you're a bad loser when you've obviously hurt yourself. :evil:
Dark Lady
11-08-2006, 03:40 PM
wooohooo! if any one is evil it her!!!! child abuse!!!!!
What about terrorists who kill innocents? They're not exactly saints.
Sorry. That's a rather morbid topic...
Dark Lady
11-08-2006, 03:58 PM
morbid?
dont know the meaning of the word lol!
no go ahead! be as morbid as you like! in science i was the only one in the class of 32 that wanted to touch the pickled brain!
i know no such word!
yes they are nasty.
Morbid means it's about death and stuff.
I think it's horrid that they kill innocents, and that they hide behind their religion. A religion that promotes killing innocents shouldn't be followed.
Dark Lady
11-08-2006, 04:20 PM
dude i know what it means lol! i was being sarcastic!
Oh, it's hard to tell when it's just writing on a screen. Lol.
Dark Lady
11-08-2006, 04:26 PM
true!
but its somehow easyer to talk this way!
im lost for words when i talk face 2 face!
I can go on and on for ages face to face, lol. At least over the internet you can talk to anyone ya like, even if they're 1000 miles away!
Dark Lady
11-08-2006, 04:37 PM
i agree!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I to am lost for words face to face. I much prefer MSN and writing in roleplays, lol on this other forum site I am roleplaying with one of my good friends and we have basically written a novel with all our posts.
Anyway yeah, I don't like religion at all, without it I think there would have been alot less wars in our history because all the major events that involved killing or war were religion based. E.G. The Crusades, the witch burnings...
DragonSummoner
11-08-2006, 07:53 PM
Morbid means it's about death and stuff.
I think it's horrid that they kill innocents, and that they hide behind their religion. A religion that promotes killing innocents shouldn't be followed.
I fully agree with you Rez. I think they brain wash them or something.
Dark Lady
11-09-2006, 10:45 AM
Like the Hitler youth...they were brainwashed!
DragonSummoner
11-10-2006, 08:56 PM
yeah! That too. All of the Natzis.
Yeah well back in the days when Dragons would have been at their peak with humans. Alot of the world was religious, so yeah simply becasue they didn't follow christianity or such they were declared evil...
Yeah well humans as a whole have always been a very unfair and selfish race so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that is what happened...
Dark Lady
11-11-2006, 05:14 PM
humans feel very insecure.
if they see something they cant explain or something new, like when they saw the first indian, or black person, or spanish conquistador, they class it as evil or they capture it and presume it inferiour or they wage war to show which is the dominant.
in a way humans are the most uncivilised culture of beings on this earth.
makes me glad to be what i am.
weve been classed as evil in the past.
or as heratics.
thies days its sheep sh*****s or farmers!
humans are pathetic and cruel.
i should know....ive been on the recieving end of most of it.
and im not saying that i havent been the one dishing it out either...espesh in six nations season...my dad and i barely speek! hes english and im welsh so were at loggar heads at that point!!!
(soz bout long post)
xxxxxxx
LoL, thats not a long post, these are long posts.
http://www.theownage.name/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=23317#p23317
Anyway, I totally agree, humans are aggrogant little bastards who like to think they are the most intelligent. Sorry for the language by the way...
Dark Lady
11-11-2006, 06:40 PM
well...im one of them.
yet i am proud to be individual.
as we are not all the same, we are not all evil.
i myself try not to be, but its only the people around you that can make that desision, and class you as bad.
I'm not saying that all humans act the same, I am merely stating that all humans have the same desires such as wealth and power. Some humans just have better control over these urges than others...
Dark Lady
11-12-2006, 07:42 AM
wooo hooo!
i have controll!!
im not motivated by money.
a boy on the bus came up to me on thursday and asked me if he payed me ?20 would i go out with him.
i said that you cant buy affection.
i was wrong of corse when the girl two seats behind me jumped to the chance and practicly sucked off his face!! ewww!
i mean they should have laws against that type of kissing!!!
xx
DragonSummoner
11-12-2006, 10:05 AM
lol.
people are how they want to be. If they decide to follow their religion they do and do exactly as they are told. Those few that oppose the laws which were meant to be broken are the few that have a mind of their own they use their imagination and are satisfied with themselfs. They do not regret what they do and continue on with thier lives as they keep on getting better and better at it. Those are the type of people that learn from their mistakes and keep on doing them as long as they want to. I am among those who choose to have a soul. Believing is a powerful attack you have against those that want for you to join them. Imagination is what makes you believe.
Dark Lady
11-12-2006, 10:09 AM
^ yet again,deep
and i like to think me one of those peeps as well
xx
LoL, yeah sounds like me too. I think that having a good imagination is sorta what makes us otherkin in the first place lol...
Dark Lady
11-12-2006, 03:52 PM
well i wouldnt be here if i didnt believe in dragons.
and sometimes that can take imagination.
Yeah, just the act of picturing a dragon in your head without any help does take quite a bit of imagination...
Dark Lady
11-12-2006, 04:19 PM
people say that i have a good imagination because i write loads of stories and draw dragons and other stuff.
i say im just like any other person, espesh the ones on here.....
i love you guys!!!!!
LoL, I draw a bit, but not very often. I used to be quite good but I stopped and I really suck now, although my writing isn't bad, If you want to read some of my writing you should read the roleplay I am in on my forums, The guy I am rping with thinks I am quite good...
Valoren
11-12-2006, 07:06 PM
humans feel very insecure.
if they see something they cant explain or something new, like when they saw the first indian, or black person, or spanish conquistador, they class it as evil or they capture it and presume it inferiour or they wage war to show which is the dominant.
in a way humans are the most uncivilised culture of beings on this earth.
makes me glad to be what i am.
weve been classed as evil in the past.
or as heratics.
thies days its sheep sh*****s or farmers!
humans are pathetic and cruel.
i should know....ive been on the recieving end of most of it.
and im not saying that i havent been the one dishing it out either...espesh in six nations season...my dad and i barely speek! hes english and im welsh so were at loggar heads at that point!!!
(soz bout long post)
xxxxxxx
ummm everyone things us Aussies shag sheep....not true no offence to the Kiwi's
DragonSummoner
11-12-2006, 07:07 PM
thanks yet again Dark Lady. Some of us don't even need to think about dragons we have them amongst us all the time. We picture dragons who care about us and we enjoy their company even if its for a little time. I also like to draw dragons even if i am not that good. and to you neon dragons don't really care if you drawings about them are bad or good they will allways appreciate them.
Yeah, Its not that I'm worried its that I rarely find time to sit down and draw. I kinda regret not making time to do it because it feels really good when a dragons sort of comes together on my paper...
Dark Lady
11-13-2006, 01:40 AM
humans feel very insecure.
if they see something they cant explain or something new, like when they saw the first indian, or black person, or spanish conquistador, they class it as evil or they capture it and presume it inferiour or they wage war to show which is the dominant.
in a way humans are the most uncivilised culture of beings on this earth.
makes me glad to be what i am.
weve been classed as evil in the past.
or as heratics.
thies days its sheep sh*****s or farmers!
humans are pathetic and cruel.
i should know....ive been on the recieving end of most of it.
and im not saying that i havent been the one dishing it out either...espesh in six nations season...my dad and i barely speek! hes english and im welsh so were at loggar heads at that point!!!
(soz bout long post)
xxxxxxx
ummm everyone things us Aussies shag sheep....not true no offence to the Kiwi's
They use it for the welsh as well.
Yeah, stereotypes can be annoying but they really are the only way to get anywhere with large groups of people, like a countries population...
Dark Lady
11-14-2006, 12:20 PM
kinda silly.....my friend Anna thinks that Aussie cricket rules...if fact thats all she talks about is the up comming Ashes!!!!
"Oh i love Geraint Jones...hes so hot but then Warne plays for ozz...." and on and on and on...
:D
Yeah, good sport that, I don't pay any attention to it though...
Dark Lady
11-15-2006, 10:56 AM
no. quite frankly i cant be arsed to wach it.
Yeah, I don't watch any sports except E-Sports :P ...
Dark Lady
11-15-2006, 03:57 PM
sometimes i wach the snooker with dad but only sometimes.
it can be like waching paint dry!
Frostfire
12-10-2006, 11:35 AM
I belive that dragons are highly intelligent, and, like humans, have their own personalities and opinions. Some dragons may be evil, and the actions of evil dragons or of other dragons just trying to protect themselves may have lead to the false and racist assumption that all dragons are evil. The dragons could well have said that all humans are evil because they met only the murderers like St. George, but we know that it is not true that all humans are evil. And yes, I know that the dragon in the story of St. George symbolizes the devil, but you know what I mean.
Brandon
12-10-2006, 04:17 PM
...I don't think dragons are evil<.<
Temeraire
12-26-2006, 10:05 AM
When you think about nobody thinks their evil unless your like a little kid and doesn't like the fact that the princess is alway stolen then wa hay! :lol:
I was talking to someone about this actually and he said that he thought dragons were just there for entertainment, so they cant really be scary.
It really depends on their Nature, Like Humans are inherently comparatively aggressive creatures by nature...
liberatedragon
12-26-2006, 08:34 PM
It really depends on their Nature, Like Humans are inherently comparatively aggressive creatures by nature...
Well not exactly, you are speaking of the nature of humans in general.
But it really depends on the individual human's personality.
So way back when people steriotyped dragons as evil, what really happened is that they saw how evil one dragon is, and when they saw other dragons, they remembered the power of the evil dragons, and thought the same thing would happen again. So it really just depends on the individual dragon's personality to determine if they are good, evil, or neutral.
I am aware of how naive humans once were and how naive they are today, but a creatures nature does shape its personality. I personally think that nothing could be more aggressive than a human and that they are at the one extreme of the spectrum...
Dark Lady
12-28-2006, 11:12 AM
im not naturally agressive.
never have been.
but i agree with you...on the whole.
like i said im not naturally agressive, i cant stand the thought, but when i do loose it...like i have done twice before...it shows that we all are capeable...i detest war...but we are the ones who cause it.
Yeah, We all have it in our nature, no matter what we act like towards other people, when you peel away the layers of Personality. You expose a humans true nature. Some are just better at controlling it than others...
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 03:27 AM
....yes.
oh what a joyful conversation this is turning into! :lol:
slightly off the subject, how are ya NeoN?
aint spoken to you in ages.
My downright morbid way of writing right now should give you an indication of how I am feeling. And Yes, it has been a while since we last spoke, But you will be happy to know that I am feeling better in the way that I feel more in control now than I did before...
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 06:18 AM
oh well thats good...i think.
Yes well, I'm not sure of anything anymore. We should get back on topic...
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 06:26 AM
....i dont think anyone of us can say that dragons are evil or not.
I agree, we can only use logic and experience to extrapolate what they would have acted like. Which doesn't seem to be one of my specialties...
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 06:37 AM
dont be daft NeoN!
youre only saying that.
youre putting your self down again!
i wont allow it i tell ya!
well seeing as none of us here have actually met every dragon there is, i dont see how we can truthfully judge the matter.
I put myself down because that is how I feel about myself at the moment.
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 06:46 AM
yes i know.
but forget it.
heck ive got some serious seldconfidence issues but i just push them out of the way...when i feel ready then ill deal with them but untill then they can stay down...right down.
under my feet infact! :lol:
yes ill walk on those cr4ppy issues!
yeah! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!
Its not something I can just brush aside, its important to me. But we should be getting back on topic.
I think when it comes to other sentient species, humankinds knowlegde is severly limited, as we can only take reference from ourselves...
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 07:39 AM
yes i agree with you, the only other animal science says is capeable of love is the elephant.
i say thats bull.
Indeed, I still think humankinds knowledge of the mental capacities of animals is far from complete. I think they need to have a closer look at creatures like Killer whales and dolphins...
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 07:43 AM
crows, seals, albatross, cheetah...etc
Indeed, We cannot draw complete pictures of their mental capabilities without knowing how their minds work, and we are not even sure how our own work...
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 07:48 AM
exactly.
did you know that the kneed for religion and worship is actuall an over active part of the brain?
lol! i think i may lack that part!
I loathe religion in every way possible. I don't see the rational or logical side to it...
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 08:34 AM
i can see the reasons behind it, and the good but oh the corruption!
i wonder if dragons get corrupt....if theyre suposed to be as if not more intellegant than us....
They possibly could. I mean look at all the legends about Dragons hoarding everything and raiding villages for jewels. Corruption by greed.
And sometimes, people just need something to give them hope.
Dark Lady
12-29-2006, 10:23 AM
yes true.
The legends could have been created souly to enhance the honour and valor of te knights that fought the dragons, so none of them could be true. You have to remember that it was hundreds of years ago so the legends could have been distorted by discourse and time. I don't think that dragons could get corrupted, at least by the simple things that corrupt humans such as wealth and power...
E Drago Pazzo
01-03-2007, 03:31 AM
I think that what happened is that pagns were practically worhipping dragons and then Christianity came. That worst insult was, "pagan" so naturaly, dragons were frowned about in middle age european society.
Dark Lady
01-03-2007, 07:29 AM
st george never killed a dragon.
the dragon was sin. and he was a knight of christianity.
E Drago Pazzo
01-03-2007, 07:08 PM
Correct! the story was a medaphor
liberatedragon
01-03-2007, 07:19 PM
I loathe religion in every way possible. I don't see the rational or logical side to it...
The only reason why I give religion or worship any gratitude is because it gives hope to you.
It's just that some religions can be viewed as very bad.
Like how some religions in the Middle-East involve humanity to be killed, and suicides are higly regarded. I mean, for them it's oaky, and they fight for their religion, but it's still wrong.
I think that what happened is that pagns were practically worhipping dragons and then Christianity came. That worst insult was, "pagan" so naturaly, dragons were frowned about in middle age european society.
So I'm guessing that is why Pagan religions were viewed as "bad" Simply because they were viewed differently.
The thing is, everything that religion "gives" you, you can have without it. Its an unnecessary thing...
E Drago Pazzo
01-03-2007, 08:04 PM
religion is great for the world because even if you don't believe it, it lays out a set of rules and a morale code that works for people to follow.
Or if you are like me and just try to distance yourself from religion as much as possible. I haven't come across any positive aspect to any religion yet, but my knowledge of it is qutie limited...
E Drago Pazzo
01-03-2007, 10:42 PM
I think mine's pretty good. Many of the rules of many countries was inspired by religious texts. It keeps order as much as possible.
The way I see it, the justice and law systems of countries aren't there to keep order, butt to be exploited.
I think I'm just a little to rational or logical to believe in a god or gods. I don't believe in heaven, I don't believe in hell. I believe that when your physical body dies, your concienceness is gone forever. I like to believe in things that have acceptable, I don't see religious texts such as the bible as evidence because it has been translated and retranslated hundreds of times maybe thousands and I think that its true meaning has been lost over the centuries, I hope I haven't offended anyone by my rant...
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Tressen
01-18-2007, 02:20 PM
Dragons are evil. Its thair fate. Its unavoidable.
Tressen
01-18-2007, 02:25 PM
All are! There is no choice. Only obediance! In time, All will see.
It's a warped perception that judges all as one.
Tressen
01-18-2007, 02:33 PM
All dragons Are one. They all have but one destiny. An evil one that will be fullfiled. There are no choices.
Sorry. I was getting bored of everyone agreeing. Discussions are more intresting when there is a differance of opinion
Tressen
01-19-2007, 03:03 PM
indeed indeed. If that makes sense.
Ramoth
01-22-2007, 08:59 PM
How can Quetzalcoatl be evil he brought chocolate to the people:D yum yum I love chocolate.
I don't remember any of the Pernese Dragons as being evil either. I did not see Saphira as being evil.
In myths that have dragons in them humans need a villian(dragon), so the hero can defeat it. It's a metaphor for humans overcoming the evil, beast within and choosing the morally correct path.:D Have a nice day.
yes, but the majority of the myths and legends are Dragons, It is a little sus that they would use a creature such as a dragon over and over again. When in real life we know that if a knight was to fight a western dragon the only way he could have killed it is if it was already half dead from disease and hadn't eaten in a full moon. Alot of the myths also depict various creatures with horns, scales and spikes so perhaps it is what makes up the creature that determines whether or not it is evil from a mythology point of view ( In other words, Religious point of view ) ...
Tressen
02-02-2007, 01:24 PM
well said.
Yeah, the funny thing is that whether or not you see something as evil depends on how you were brought up, if you were tought like a religious zealot then you would definitely see a dragon as evil. But if you were bought up in a more open minded environment You would see a dragon as an intelligent animal of sorts.
Sorry if I'm getting a bit impulsive, I kinda do that when I rant...
Ramoth
02-06-2007, 06:19 AM
Yeah, the funny thing is that whether or not you see something as evil depends on how you were brought up, if you were tought like a religious zealot then you would definitely see a dragon as evil. But if you were bought up in a more open minded environment You would see a dragon as an intelligent animal of sorts.
Okay. Neon that makes sense.
Tressen
02-06-2007, 04:27 PM
Whats with all this evil anyway?
Theres only one type of evil and thats the "Ultimate Evil". Everything else is just down to morals
Yeah, I would tend to agree, to classify a whole race as evil based on nothing more than a few bad experiences is just illogical. Perhaps if our ancestors made a more concious effort to study these creatures they would have realised that...
Tressen
02-06-2007, 04:35 PM
They were a race of evil fire breathing monstosities from the dephs of hell?
Maybe its just their way of showing affection, maybe they just want to be your "friend" Tressen :P ...
Tressen
02-06-2007, 04:43 PM
I am thair friend.
Yes I am evil.
My friend is the grim reaper, he got quite a morbid sense of humour :P ...
Tressen
02-06-2007, 04:50 PM
Im an interdementional assissin. I have no humour. (jk)
LoL, Good old grim comes to my front door every now and then and we sit down and have a cup of tea and catch up on each others lives. He hasn't been able to come over lately because he says he really busy in Iraq :P ...
Tressen
02-06-2007, 04:55 PM
Okey! Back to topic!
yes, now where were we. Ah yes, I don't believe dragons were evil just because our religion at the time conveniently depicted them as incarnations of the devil...
Tressen
02-06-2007, 04:59 PM
They were. But then they decided to get new jobs.
LoL, nah, they got fired by the devil :P ...
Tressen
02-06-2007, 05:08 PM
Yeah. Probably.
But then who hired them *shifty eyes* ...
liberatedragon
02-06-2007, 09:34 PM
(I like NeoN's theory that religion was the cause of the dragons leaving the humanrace.)
So, I blame the humans who started religion, why dragons were persecuted as being "evil".
In the bible, the devil took on the form of a Red Dragon, once the people who were Christian read this, they hunted the dragons down.
But why did he take the form of a dragon? Either
A. Because it was very powerful, and efficient
B. One of the monks who had to copy the bible down page, by page wanted to make it a more interesting story, OR
C. (Random story telling) One of the monks who wrote the bible, disliked dagonkind, and framed them as being evil by putting it in the bible. (I made this one up)
And then Microsoft hired the dragons to keep them safe and to make more money :P
But yeah, I hate religion, could you tell? :P ...
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